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The Ringer’s ‘Winging It’ Podcast Offers Sneak Peek Into Life in the NBA

“Winging It” is headlined by Kent Bazemore and Vince Carter and is co-hosted by Annie Finberg, the Atlanta Hawks’ social media coordinator.

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Touching on everything from golf, to rookie hazing, to career milestones, The Ringer’s new podcast, titled “Winging It,” gives fans an exclusive glimpse into the NBA — straight from the players themselves.

The podcast is headlined by Kent Bazemore and Vince Carter of the Atlanta Hawks and is co-hosted by Annie Finberg, the Hawks’ social media coordinator. Just five episodes in, “Winging It” has already featured a star-studded guest lineup, with appearances by Steph Curry, Andre Iguodala, Jeremy Lin, and Dirk Nowitzki.

“I love podcasting with players because it allows us to show a side of the guys people don’t get to see otherwise, with them not being on camera,” Finberg said.

“The biggest thing for me is that it’s unfiltered,” Bazemore added. “Obviously, we have to watch what we say to a certain extent — like, we aren’t on there saying a ton of curse words or trying to ruffle a lot of feathers, but you speak what you feel.”

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Finberg and Bazemore are no strangers to the podcast game. They were co-hosts of the “Road Trippin’ ATL podcast last season, along with Mike Muscala, so when the opportunity arose to co-host “Winging It” this year, they already had plenty of experience to build on.

“For me, I think [podcasting] is a great stepping stone for future opportunities,” Finberg said. “It prepares you for a lot of things, whether it’s interviews or more casual.”

Muscala was traded to the 76ers in the summer of 2018, so Finberg and Bazemore were in need of a new co-host for “Winging It.” Luckily for them, the oldest active player signed with the Hawks that same summer, with two decades of NBA experience under his belt. In other words, Carter was the ideal man for the job.

“With Vince Carter coming to Atlanta, we couldn’t think of a more perfect host,” Finberg said.

The opportunity to interact with high-profile NBA players in a laid-back environment isn’t something Finberg takes for granted.

“Being able to sit and laugh with the guys is the best part,” she said. “I’m speaking to some of these guys who I’ve watched my entire life, like Vince Carter. He’s one of the best dunkers of all-time, so to be able to talk to him and see him as regular person and get to know these guys, whether they’re up-and-coming or very established, it’s cool.”

Podcasting is particularly well-liked among athletes because the casual setting allows them to feel at ease and speak more candidly than in a traditional interview setting, according to Finberg.

“They’re just sitting around with friends and myself, so they’re more comfortable to express themselves and be open and be more than an athlete,” she said.

That comfort was particularly evident in just the second episode, when Curry jokingly questioned whether astronauts had actually landed on the moon.

“I’d say with the ‘Winging It’ podcast that we’re a pretty laid-back vibe, so people feel fairly comfortable talking about anything,” Bazemore said. “We’ve got people on there talking about long-time conspiracies, so you’ve got to feel pretty comfortable in order to talk about that kind of stuff.”

“Winging It” isn’t the only podcast hosted by professional athletes — 76ers’ JJ Redick hosts his own show on The Ringer Podcast Network, as well — but Finberg explained how this new show differentiates itself.

“What sets us apart is all the different personalities and traits we bring,” she said. “I’m the quote unquote ‘normal person,’ and fans can connect with me. I’m allowing them insight into the players’ lives. Vince and Baze are different, but also similar, and they connect over humor, which is key for podcasts because, at the end of the day, everyone wants to relax and laugh.”

Carter and Bazemore’s distinct personalities and backgrounds bring a unique perspective to the show, Finberg said.

“They have really different experiences,” she said. “Vince is obviously very broadcast-driven, so he brings that broadcast breakdown of things, and there’s no one better in the league to tell stories and share the life of NBA players. Vince really embodies that.”

“For me, it’s just more repetition,” Carter added, explaining how podcasting fits in with his post-playing career goals. “I’m continuing to learn and figure out some of the things that I like and don’t like as far as, do I want to call games in studio? Or do I want to do my own thing as far as podcasts, or do a podcast while doing some studio work, or working in the field? So, this is definitely just some practice.”

Bazemore’s path to the NBA couldn’t have been more different than Carter’s, so he offers an original outlook, as well.

“Kent brings an amazing perspective, from getting knocked down and getting back up at Old Dominion, then he didn’t get drafted, then he played in the D League,” Finberg said. “He’s proven that, as cheesy as it sounds, you can do what you set your mind to because he was determined.”

With the help of one-of-a-kind podcasts like “Winging It,” The Ringer Podcast Network has grown substantially over the last few years. The network has amassed an impressive following thanks to its 30 different podcasts that range in topics from sports to pop culture.

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“The Ringer has been amazing,” Finberg said. “From the jump, they’ve been so helpful, and it’s an honor to be a part of it. The fact that Bill Simmons allowed us to jump in and give it a shot is a big blessing. They were open to us, and they’ve been supportive and helpful.”

Between The Ringer’s support and the popularity of Carter, Bazemore, and their guests, “Winging It” has found the recipe for podcast success.

Finberg’s job with the Hawks’ digital team may be to tell the stories of players from a team perspective, but she also recognizes the significance of giving players a platform to speak directly to their fans using the podcast formula.

“Teams try to tell stories, and so do media outlets, but it’s rare that a player has the opportunity to speak out about what he’s about and what he believes in,” she said. “It’s important that they continue to share their experiences. It makes them more personable and builds their fan base, and it gives them the opportunity to share with fans.”

Bailey Knecht is a Northeastern University graduate and has worked for New Balance, the Boston Bruins and the Northeastern and UMass Lowell athletic departments. She covers media and marketing for Front Office Sports, with an emphasis on women's sports and basketball. She can be contacted at bailey@frntofficesport.com.

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Inside the Huddle: Talking Paid Social With Angela Welchert

For Angela Welchert, a social media partnerships lead at IBM, paid social has become an intregral part of her job and the company’s overall strategy.

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On February 22, a handful of digital media professionals from across the industry will converge on New York City for the first in our Huddle Series. Participants will get the chance to learn from these speakers and grow their knowledge of five specific areas within digital media: paid social, content distribution, platform strategy, monetizing social media, and vertical content.

In the buildup to the event, we’ll be introducing you to the huddle leaders who will be lending their expertise. Today, we begin with Angela Welchert, a social media partnerships lead at IBM. She will be one of the leaders of the huddle “Pay to Play: Executing Better Paid Social Campaigns”.

Welchert describes herself as a professional who does her best work focusing on the bigger picture.

“I like to focus on looking at the grander scheme and really drilling down into opportunities that are executable,” Welchert stated. “Throughout my career, I’ve heavily contributed to driving forward social presence for companies and organizations.  Now leading paid partnerships for IBM, I’m focused on identifying opportunities for us to really optimize social.”

Welchert also describes her current role with IBM as the highlight of her career. Prior to landing that job, Welchert graduated from the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse, where she studied business administration and marketing.

Before moving to New York, Welchert jumped into the world of social marketing at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota as a social media strategy consultant. In 2011, Welchert migrated to the Big Apple to become the director of social media at Berkeley College before joining IBM in 2014 as its global social business manager. In 2018, she was promoted to the social media partnerships lead.

“In the first six months or so that I’ve been in this role,” Welchert remarked, “I’ve spent a large portion of my time reevaluating how we’re executing and strategizing when it comes to paid social, which is a very heavy investment for IBM. I pride myself on bringing a multidisciplinary attack to the way we’re approaching paid social.”

Over the course of her career to date, Welchert has become very conscious of the multi-faceted nature of social media marketing. In order for other young professionals to find success in the field and specifically in paid social, she recommends that they do the same.

“Social marketing is both an art and a science. The science side of it with targeting, reporting, and optimizing is important. However, you still need to be very cognizant of the art side of social media when it comes to content creation.”

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In her brief time at IBM, Welchert has already made a significant impact for the organization. Specifically, her changes to what platforms the company invests money are paying dividends.

“IBM is a massive company, with over 400,000 employees globally. Sometimes change can be slow moving. So I believe the most impactful thing that I’ve done so far in this role is bring together our leadership team including social, paid media, corporate advertising, and our agency of record to change the way we do paid social.”  Welchert states. “we are now in the process of deep diving into our paid social investments, to create a new process that will better position our paid media teams for success. By doing this, we will see significant cost savings for IBM, but we will also improve the return from our investments.”

Meet Welchert and hear more of her thoughts on the current digital landscape at the Front Office Sports Digital Media Huddle presented by Opendorse in New York on February 22. For tickets and additional info, click here.

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DC United’s Broadcast Deal Could Further Demonstrate Digital Media Potential

FloSports’ broadcast deal with D.C. United exemplifies the company’s mission to raise the profile of sports outside the Big Four leagues.

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A positive in increasing segmentation of sports media could be the corresponding rise in the popularity of sports outside the Big Four.

That’s what digital streaming service FloSports has in mind for a variety of sports, most prominently soccer in the United States. The company recently secured a multi-year agreement with MLS side D.C. United for coverage.

“We’ve always had our eyes on trying to get into soccer,” said Mike Levy, FloSports vice president of global rights acquisition. “Strategically, it really only made sense if we could do it with a really good, smart, strategic direction. We held out until we felt like we found it.”

FloSports started in 2006, largely with wrestling and track and field content.

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Most of D.C. United’s home and away games will be aired on FloFC.com, the provider’s 25th sports vertical. The broadcasts will be in both English and Spanish. Also included in the deal with D.C. United is rights into original D.C. content, like behind-the-scenes programming.

“D.C. United is committed to providing fans with an innovative and high-quality viewing experience for all of their regionally broadcast matches,” said Sam Porter, D.C. United senior vice president. “Our deal with FloSports presents a new and unique opportunity for fans to get behind-the-scenes access to the D.C. United first team … while also providing a world-class broadcast production for viewers.”

Levy said the reason major professional sports have captured the American mindset is because of the previous media efforts and marketing. He said the future of other sports is up to the marketing and media opportunities presented to them — and soccer is in an ideal spot with its global popularity and U.S. youth participation.

Traditional media properties like NBC and FOX provide excellent live soccer coverage, Levy said, but there’s a deeper opportunity with the off-hour programming to explore and become a content destination.

“We believe you have to figure out how to create an emotional connection,” Levy said. “You have to do a lot more than just broadcast live sports. Any given Saturday night, there’s a thousand sporting events to choose from in the linear and digital stratosphere. And that’s just sports; there’s general entertainment and news too.

“All these types steal attention spans. So, we look for opportunities where fans aren’t getting that deep level of attention these sports deserve.”

Levy said FloSports will continue to seek other soccer rights deals to further prove soccer deserves the attention level the other major professional leagues receive from traditional media.

Other sports, along with wrestling and track and field verticals, FloSports has zeroed in on include Brazilian jiu-jitsu, fast-pitch softball, and rugby.

FloSports also has rights in basketball with the Euro League and Australian and German professional leagues and is a large platform for high school hoops.

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“We’re looking to expand the international pro game in the U.S.,” Levy said. “Basketball is something we’re excited about.”

Football provides a large challenge as it is dominated by traditional media, but Levy said FloSports is seeking deeper penetration in high school sports, as well as some collegiate opportunities. Levy also said he sees tremendous opportunities in baseball at every level outside of Major League Baseball and currently broadcasts a variety collegiate games.

The proliferation of the internet and streaming services has provided the ability for platforms like FloSports to grab serious viewership in sports that previously saw almost zero coverage, even ESPN’s famous off-hour programming, in the past. Sports fanatics will devour content in their preferred sport if it’s available.

“There’s never been this level of fragmentation with this movement to digital,” Levy said. “Through that, we believe all sorts of sports have the opportunity to rapidly grow them as they get passionate viewers, and we can do our part to feed into it.”

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A Pivot Back From Video Feels Unlikely for Sports Media in 2019

The pivot-to-video experiment produced mix results for some, but don’t bank on sports publishers turning a hopeful gaze toward long-form written content in 2019 and beyond.

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For the better part of the last few years, sports media outlets shifted a lot of resources from written content to video.

FOX Sports was arguably the most notable example of pivoting to video — and still to this day only publishes video content on its website. Initially, the result of the drastic alteration in content strategy was an 88 percent drop in web traffic.

To further complicate things, it has since come to light that Facebook’s video metrics may not have been completely accurate. Long story short, the trend of the pivot to video was not a successful one for the industry.

This being said, a full transition back to focusing on true long-form written content is not something that many industry professionals see in the cards for the near future.

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“Personally, I remain skeptical that long-form written content will really take off as the primary offering for most major sports publications,” said Jared Kalmus, assistant manager of SB Nation’s Underdog Dynasty. “The fact remains that web publications depend on clicks to drive their revenue streams, and the effort and writing talent required to publish long-form content is prohibitive when compared to quick-hit ‘click-bait’ posts.

“The ideal approach is likely to have some type of matrix between long-form features and quick news updates, but this requires a staff expansion for most publications. That’s a big ask as most publications are struggling to even pay their existing talent a living wage.”  

The ease of publishing what are essentially small stories in a series of tweets or other social media posts further complicates things. At least this is how Joe Serpico, a reporter for Fox Sports Radio 1340 AM in the DMV area, sees it.

“It pains me to say this, but I don’t see written publications being any better even with video not taking off as planned,” Serpico said. “That’s mainly because of social media. When breaking news happens, we rush to Twitter and Facebook to get the information. A lot of beat writers give most of the information they’re putting into their story in tweets or Facebook posts. These days, we see writers incorporate tweets into their articles too.

“The video experiment did seem to backfire, but I don’t think it will help written publications be the primary focus again. It is social media that has changed journalism most.”

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In talking with other writers throughout the sports space, you’ll find many who share a similar opinion. Creatives with a writing background continue to be unoptimistic about the state of the space, especially with stories like that of former Sports Illustrated writer Austin Murphy, who published an account last month of his transition to a full-time job delivering packages for Amazon, becoming more and more common.

This is not to say that other types of creatives are doing anything wrong.

The social media space has given rise to a massive number of talented videographers, graphic designers, animators, and so on. It does spark interest about the time we live in as media consumers, however. The space shifted to a massive focus on something, it was a statistical failure, but it doesn’t seem like it’s really going to change things all that much.

Could 2019 prove that feeling wrong? We’ll have to wait and see. 

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